Carver's new company, Sunfire, and its new Cinema Grand amplifier: The Cinema Grand was designed by Carver to power up multichannel home theater setups. It features 200 watts into 8 ohms per each of its five channels, and 400 watts/channel into four ohms, all continuously driven. And on a time limited basis, it can blast out 800 watts per channel into two ohms. In sum, this black beast puts out anywhere from 1,000 to 4,000 watts! Even more unbelievably, this seemingly bottomless well of power is wrapped up in a cool running, fan-less package weighing a scant 45 pounds. This simple looking brushed aluminum box, with its retro-analog, dimly gold-glowing, Power Supply Energy meter (which invariably points to 400 Joules), gives no hint of the tremendous sonic fury it can unleash in an instant. Originally, the Cinema Grand was to have been reviewed by Francis and Gordana as part of a home theater article, but several key components failed to arrive in time. So, the Cinema Grand was just sitting around, looking darkly grumpy for its neglect. But what's this? The instruction manual says it's trivial to transform this multichannel device into a vertically biamped stereo unit? Hmm. Francis 's gears began turning. Vertical Biamping, wherein separate amplifier sections are used for the upper frequency and woofer drivers (using two stereo amps or four monoblocks), is the next step beyond bi-wiring your speakers off a single amp. For best results, all these amps should be identical, although some high end crazies have been known to use tube amps for the mids/tweets, and solid state units for the woofs. Obviously, it's easiest and best if your speaker terminals have two pairs of binding posts to support such a biwiring/biamp rig (and most do.) Biamping the Cinema Grand is ridiculously easy. On the back of the Sunfire there are both balanced (XLR) inputs, and gold-plated RCA jacks. However, there are two RCAs per each unbalanced input into all five channels (ten jacks, total.) So, you just take a front channel's unused RCA jack, and simply loop a short length of interconnect across the amp's back to a rear channel's amplifier input. In this way, the inputs for the left front amplifier channel (powering the left tweeter/upper midrange ribbon) were routed into the left rear channel amplifier (now powering the left speaker's lower mid, and bass ribbon.) This quick procedure was repeated for the right channel. We now had a vertical biamp stereo set up--all within the same amplifier box. Very slick. In the usual five channel home theater amp (assuming you could do this biamp trick), this procedure would be wasteful, as the center channel, and its 200 watts, would go unused. But not so in the Cinema Grand. And why this is so leads us directly into how the Cinema Grand, and its stereo counterpart, the 300 watt/channel Sunfire amp, are so special. At the heart of Carver's amplifiers is something called Tracking Downconverter. This power topology has some special properties. Its design dates back about fifteen years, when Bob first began thinking about the subject. Despite what you may have read to the contrary, Bob Carver invented this device, and was the first put it to practical, production use (while he was at his former company, Carver Corporation, in its Lightstar amplifier.) See Bob Carver's white paper in 21st on the Tracking Downconverter for a detailed look at how this remarkable device works. The Tracking Downconverter, in conjunction with the Sunfire's common power supply design, dynamically allocates power from any of the five underutilized channels to one that immediately needs it. Thus, in, the biamped Cinema Grand, all the power from the unused center channel can automatically be diverted to any of one the four active stereo channels. The vertically biamped Cinema Grand can therefore output 400 continuous watts per left or right channel into an 8 ohm load, with 200 watts from the unused center on standby reserve. All that having been said, it now becomes very interesting to compare the Cinema Grand with its stereo-only sibling, the Sunfire. The latter costs $2,175, and puts out 300 watts/channel into 8 ohms, or 600 watts, total. But for the extra $200 bucks the Cinema Grand costs, you can get up to 400 more watts at 8 ohms, total (four channels driven, plus unused center), including all the power and control that vertical Biamping provides. Hello? Do we smell a high end bargain here? The Cinema Grand is also easy to system match with tube line stage preamps (our Cary SLP-90L worked super.) It also worked well with passive controllers (the Preeminence Two Line Interface from Reference Line Audio did wonders with the amp.) And as its input sensitivity for rated output is 1.3 volts RMS, you can probably direct drive it off many CD players which have level controls. But an audio bargain is no bargain if it doesn't perform. So, can the biamped Cinema Grand deliver the stereo goods? Let's answer that by first talking about speaker control, and bass, in particular. Full range ribbon panels, like the Omega's, are notoriously tough to handle when you start getting down in the nether regions. Below 40 cycles or so, unless the amp holds a fascist fist, the big ribbon panels typically start to flap about. This has been the main argument for buying huge, expensive, high current Niagaras, like Krells, for use with ribbon planars (or for any other kind of speaker that could use a vice-like grip over its bass.) One night, shortly after the Cinema Grand was put into the system, Francis and Gordana were watching The Arrival (a better than average sci-fi thriller.) The film's excellent audio track was being pumped out through just the two Omegas. At the movie's bang! crash! boom! finale, the leather sofa on which Francis and Gordana were sitting suddenly started to shake and vibrate, to the point where their manhattan's were in danger of sloshing out of their glasses. Francis quizzically looked over at the Hsu subwoofer, which he supposedly unhooked when the Omegas arrived. He rechecked, and the Hsu was definitely out of the system. After the movie was over, Francis put the Stereophile Test CD on the excellent Meridian 508.20 player. Lo! The big ribbon panels were going down to 20Hz, and without taking wing! Their output at 20 cycles wasn't very high, but the Omega's were happily moving the air. And all this iron-gripped control for only $2,375?! Prodigious bass is certainly one of the best arguments for buying the inexpensive Cinema Grand, and using it in biamped stereo mode. But more important, the Cinema Grand produces musical bass. Plucked bass instruments stays plucked, and not smeared over some peanut butter and jelly sonic sandwich. Like Oscar Pettiford's bass work, as he dug deep into the strings for the opening bars of A Night in Tunisia, which is off a cut from an absolutely-go-get-it DCC/Compact Classics (mono) reissue, the 1955 recording of The Musings of Miles, [GZS-1106.] And there are more good reasons for purchasing this amp, which ran without so much as hiccup during the review period. With nearly four kilowatts on tap for even crushing 2 ohm loads, the Cinema Grand easily powers through any hairy musical situation, as well as effortlessly drives any speaker in existence. But perhaps the best thing about having seemingly limitless reserves of power is the sense of mental relaxation it produces. There is no more subconscious cringing; you know, the kind where your brain starts going uh-oh, just before lesser amplifiers are about to clip and distort. The bountiful Cinema Grand yielded a much more relaxing, and ultimately realistic, musical experience, especially when things got big and busy. Moreover, vertically Biamping the Omegas with this much power and control also had the clear effect of broadening out, and deepening the musical soundstage. And on this stretched out aural canvas, the monster amp revealed a delicate soul as it painted in exquisite details. This unblemished Technicolor panorama was testimony to the low noise floor of the amp, and its unique design. A really good display of all these desirable Cinema Grand qualities was found in a posthumous tribute by an orchestra of Catalonian musicians to the great nuevo tango-master, Astor Piazzola. The Orquestra de Cambra Teatre Lliure, directed by Josep Pons, combined five of Piazzola's pieces for a small ensemble into Concerto pour bandoleon, [Harmonia Mundi/HMC/901595.] When the whole orchestra of strings, flutes, bassoons, clarinets, trumpets, trombones, percussion, harp, piano, and bandoleon got behind and started driving this infectious, Argentinean-inspired music, the Cinema Grand just reached down, and made all the right, highly complicated moves. Francis and Gordana were left breathless by this often raucously rhythmic, always exotic, tango music performance; but not so the barely-in-a-sweat Cinema Grand. Female vocals, always a tough reproduction challenge for any amplifier, were also gently caressed by the brawny Cinema Grand. Vocalists sprang to grain-free life, as a virtually endless supply of energizing watts was transfused into their performances. A good example of this was found in the work of the now long gone, much beloved vocalist, Bidu Sayao. Born in Brazil in 1902, Bidu Sayao was an operatic soprano who covered most of the Mediterranean operatic circuit during her career. In 1945, she recorded for Columbia Records what is, perhaps, her signature piece: the aria from Villa-Lobos's Bachiana brasileira no.5. (Decades later, in 1984, her early recording of this same Villa-lobos piece was voted into the Grammy Hall of fame.) This haunting, often forlorn work, and some of her other performances, were just reissued on CD [Sony Classical Music, Masterworks Heritage, MHK 62355.] And thanks to the Cinema Grand time machine, you can once again hear this composition's stunning tonal purity and sensuous legato, just as Sayao and Villa-lobos meant it to be heard, over a half-century ago. During the course of this review, one system change that yielded improvements in virtually every audio area was an upgrade from the Nordost Red Dawns to the company's new, top of the line SPM Reference interconnects and speaker wires. The Nordost SPMs are just terrific. And regarding high wire acts, only one thing could bring down our flying sonic wonders-- using the Cinema Grand's current output option. This second set of front channel speaker outputs offers a higher impedance current source. Carver says using these current outputs will yield a softer, more tube-like sound. Sorry, Bob. Francis and Gordana have to pass on this one. The near-zero impedance voltage outputs proved clearly superior, in all ways. However, there might be situations where these softer sounding (and watt-robbing) current outputs might be useful, like with overly bright electrostatics, but we still have our doubts. Regardless, the low cost Cinema Grand is clearly a reference class, solid state amplifier. And ironically, its true home doesn't seem to be in Home Theater. Rather, the Cinema Grand is probably best used as a biamped machine in a classic stereo system. But either way this amplifier chameleon is used, Bob Carver has obviously done it again. Maybe that's why Carver attracts so many slings and arrows--he succeeds in ways his adversaries never even thought of. Copyright 1997, Franco Vitaliano, All Rights Reserved Sunfire Cinema Grand Specifications: Price: $2,375.00 Number of speaker output channels: Five Power Output: 200 watts continuous, per channel, all five channels driven into eight ohms from 20Hz to 20kHz, with no more than 0.5% T.H.D. Power at clipping, minimum: 400 watts per channel into four ohms 800 watts per channel into two ohms-time limited basis Hum and Noise: -100dB, A-Weighted Absolute Maximum Output Current: 80 amperes peak to peak per channel Absolute Maximum Output Voltage: 43 volts RMS Output Impedance, Front Left and Front Right Channels: Voltage Source: Approximately zero Current Source: Approximately one ohm Impedance Normal Input: 24,000 ohms Input Sensitivity for Rated Output: 1.3 volts RMS Balanced: 15,000 each leg balanced to ground Dimensions: 19 inches wide 6.5 inches high 15.75 inches deep (including connections) Weight: 45 pounds Finish: Brushed aluminum and black anodize

Denon AVP-8000 5.1 Surround Pre-Amp / Tuner - includes the original remote controlSunfire Cinema Grand Amplifier - 5 Channel 200WPC Original Owner - non smoking environment. Both work great.the only known issues are the front panel on the Denon is missing, and the Sunfire power meter light bulb has burned out. Original manuals for both are included

Sunfire Cinema Grand Amplifier5 Channels, 200 Watts per channelGreat condition. original owner - used in a smoke free environmentthe light bulb in the power window is burned out - no other known issuescomes with original owners manual and 5 interconnect cables

Im selling my personal Sunfire Cinema Grand, 5 channel power amplifier. It provides 200 watts per channel into 8 ohms delivering tremendous power, low distortion and awesome sound quality for both multi-channel and stereo listening. The amplifier is in great working order and sounds wonderful. I have treated this amp very kindly and its overall condition is very good, but there are some minor scratches on top and sides from moving it around over the years. I used a flash on some pics to accurately portray condition, but without it you may not notice the scratches much. The front face and glass are in great shape and the original meter lights work. This is a fabulous and well-reviewed amplifier designed by the legendary audio equipment designer, Bob Carver. I have enjoyed it every day for well over 20 years and Im sure you will love it as well. Im only selling because I need a physically smaller amplifier to fit in my new (and rather shallow) BDI media cabinet. Im sad to see it go... I do not have the original box, but it will ship well packaged and secure. Please buy in confidence.

Up for sale is a very nice Bob Carver Cinema Grand 5 channel 200 Watts per Channel power amplifier. This unit is absolutely audiophile grade. Please Google it for reviews and specifications. This unit is from the family of the original owner. It is in very good cosmetic condition. It does have a few scratches on the top as can be seen in the pictures, but overall it is in what I would call very good to excellent condition. Please look at all pictures and judge the condition for yourself. I have cleaned this unit and extensively tested it. Everything on it works perfectly with one minor exception. The lamp that illuminates the power meter needs replacing. this is common with these amps and is a minor repair. If I get around to it I will replace the lamp and change this listing, but as you read this right now it will be sold with the lamp out. The sale includes the amplifier with attached power cord and a copy of the Users Manual. AI GENERATED Experience the ultimate cinema sound with the Sunfire Cinema Grand Amplifier. This 5-channel power amplifier provides 200 WPC of crystal-clear audio, perfect for movie nights or music enthusiasts. The brand Sunfire is known for their high-quality audio equipment, and this model is no exception. With its sleek design and powerful sound, the Sunfire Cinema Grand Amplifier is a must-have for any home audio setup. The amplifier is easy to install and use, making it a great choice for consumers who want to upgrade their audio experience. Dont miss out on this amazing opportunity to enhance your movie and music experience. Buy with confidence. All of my sales carry a 100% money back guarantee. I have been a highly rated eBay seller for over 24 years! I will personally pack the unit for shipping using all new packing materials and a double-walled heavy duty box. All my shipping is via FedEx Ground Service, fully insured. The shipping costs you see on the listing are calculated by eBay and FedEx and indicate my true shipping costs based on your location and the size and weight of the box. I actually lose money on every item I ship because I absorb the costs of packing materials, service fees and insurance costs. Please message me with any questions you might have.

This amp is fully tested and functioning well. It is missing two rca ground connectors but the are not needed as this amp has two unbalanced inputs along with the balanced. See pics for item condition. It works well but due to the age all used electronics are sold AS-IS. Please feel free to make an offer or ask questions.

Experience high-quality audio with the Sunfire Cinema Grand 200 Five 5 Channel Power Amplifier. This amplifier is designed to enhance your movie and music experience with its superior sound output. It has two inputs and RCA audio outputs, which provide a seamless connection to your audio devices. The Sunfire Cinema Grand 200 Five 5 Channel Power Amplifier is perfect for home audio enthusiasts who want to enjoy crystal-clear sound quality.

In great condition..sounds great.using it in stereo.. investing in a 2 channel the only reason why Im selling. Happy Bidding ????

Introducing the Sunfire Cinema Grand 200 Five 5 Channel Power Amplifier, a top-quality audio device that will elevate your home entertainment experience. With the ability to power up to five channels and two inputs, this amplifier is perfect for any home audio setup. It also features RCA audio outputs for easy connectivity to your audio system. Designed by Sunfire, a leading brand in the audio industry, this power amplifier delivers exceptional sound quality and performance. Ideal for use in home theaters or for music enthusiasts, the Sunfire Cinema Grand 200 Five 5 Channel Power Amplifier is a must-have for anyone looking for an exceptional audio experience.

SOLD AS-IS. Sunfire Cinema Grand 200 Five 5 Channel Power Amplifier. It was returned, selling as-is for parts or repair. The buyer said it had internment distortion. He obviously knows more above these than I do. I connected each channel and they worked, but I did not turn it up or play it for a while. The meter on front works but I could not get it to light up. I am not real familiar with these. It is very heavy, I will pack well. Lots of bubble and double wall box NO RETURNS

Sunfire Cinema Five, 5 channel Amplifier 200 watts all channels @ 8ohms 400 watts @ 4 ohms. Amplifier has been professionally serviced, new bulb. All 5 channels are operating with absolutely no issues! No noise, no humming, unit sounds clean, dynamic and transparent. Cosmetically in good condition, unit does shows signs of wear from usage, some scratches on top of cabinet but looks unit looks nice. Please see the attached pictures. Unit will be packed and shipped to arrive as described. Thanks for looking and please see my other listings.

Purchased from Upscale Audio, amp functions as new and condition is near flawless physical condition. The illumination of the power meter does not light up. Original box, power cord and manual included.

Powers on. Not tested. Local pickup ok.

Bob Carver Sunfire Cinema Grand 5 Channel Power Amplifier 200 . This is used item has a couple cosmetic nicks which can be seen in pics. Has been stored and wrapped in a dry unit. Powers up and works great. The unit front light doesn’t work and doesn’t have a manual or original box This unit comes as a ‘’ AS IS ‘’ With ‘’ NO RETURNS ‘’ Buyer pays shipping Unit is heavy

Powers on, meter works. No backlight. Unable to test further. Top is scratched from being stacked in storage. Seems to be mostly undamaged otherwise, but unable to test.

Sunfire Cinema Seven, 7 channel Amplifier 200 watts all channels @ 8ohms 400 watts @ 4 ohms. Amplifier has been professionally serviced, new bulb. All 7 channels are operating with absolutely no issues! No noise, no humming, unit sounds clean, dynamic and transparent. Cosmetically in good condition, unit does shows signs of wear from usage, small scratches on top of cabinet but looks unit looks nice.Please see the attached pictures. Unit will be packed and shipped to arrive as described. Thanks for looking and please see my other listings.

Powers on, meter works. No backlight. Unable to test further. Top is scratched from being stacked in storage. Seems to be mostly undamaged otherwise, but unable to test.

RARE Sunfire TGA 5200 Cinema Grand 200 X 5 Channel Amplifier. Works great. Does not come with power cord.

Powers on, meter works. No backlight. Unable to test further.On Oct-11-23 at 08:36:40 PDT, seller added the following information: Processor is in another post, if you’d like both

This unit is in great shape. All channels tested and working as they should. The only flaw is that the display light is burned out. Of course does not affect performance at all. This thing is a monster and would make a great addition to your audiophile collection. Bob Carver Sunfire Cinema Grand 5 Channel Power Amplifier 200 Watts per Channel. MADE IN USA. Sunfire Cinema Grand; Five-channel power amplifier; 200 watts/ch rms into 8 Ohms; THD < 0.5%; Frequency response 20 Hz - 20 kHz + or - 0.1 dB; Rail 43 Volts rms; Input impedance 24 kOhm - unbalanced, 15 kOhm - balanced; Output impedance 0.01 Ohm Voltage source, 1 Ohm Current source; Size 6.5H x 19W x 15 3/4D; Weight 45 pounds; Black anodized brushed aluminum finish SHIPPING to Continental United States only due to size and weight. Local pickup welcome in Lawton, Ia

Sunfire Cinema Grand 200W x 5 channels power amplifier (XLR and RCA inputs)Designed by the legendary Bob Carver and made in Snohomish, Washington, U.S.A.Powerful and good-looking amplifier5 x 200 W (for 8 ohms load) for surround soundNo problem driving speakers of any impedance (I have Klipsch, Mirage and B&W, and they all sounded great).Inputs: Balanced XLR and Unbalanced RCAOutputs: 5-way banana binding postsFront two channels (L/R) - each has separate voltage source and current source outputs. The voltage source has an output impedance of 0.01 Ohm while the current source has an output impedance of 1.0 Ohm. Bob Carvers theory is that voltage source outputs will sound like a conventional transistor/solid state amp, while current source outputs will sound more like vacuum tubes. They can work together for the highest resolution sound if you bi-wire your front speakers.Black anodized brushed aluminum finishVery heavy (45 lbs) - you will need a strong amplifier standGreat shape in original conditions for front, top, back and bottom (a few minor white marks on the side panels - see photos)Display: Power supply analog needle with the classic orange glow light (fully functional)Master switch in the back: On/Off/Auto Detachable heavy duty power cord included and can be upgraded (the earlier Sunfire models had an attached low-quality power cord)I used a Panamax M5400 power conditioner on it for current/voltage stabilization & protection at all times, and I highly recommend a top grade AV power conditioner Reason to sell: Moving the TV setup to a smaller room & switching to a new receiver to save space (the Sunfire amp cannot fit in my new audio shelf).Size: 6.5H x 19W x 15 3/4D - please measure your space before buying (I cannot accommodate the amp width and depth with the heavy duty speaker cables in my new AV setup)Package includes: amplifier, original manual and power cordShipping within U.S.A. only (FedEx ground with professional packing & full insurance)

If youre looking you knowThis device is tested and working. Sounds Great. Made in USA Designed by the legendary Bob Carver 5 x 200 W (for 8 ohms load) for surround sound Inputs: Balanced XLR and Unbalanced RCA Outputs: 5-way banana binding posts Front two channels L/R Black anodized brushed aluminum finishRear Master switch: On/Off/Auto Scratches on top and sides from previous device stacking. Two very small scratches on front highlighted in close-up photo. Please examine pictures closely. BIG & HEAVYSize: 6.5H x 19W x 15 3/4D Weight: 45 lbs Includes: amplifier, power cord and photocopied user manual.Your item will be very carefully and safely packaged. Check my feedback and buy with confidence.