Up for auction is an OPEN BOX, LIKE NEW, NEW OLD STOCK, Technics SL-1210GR Turntable in PERFECT CONDITION, with exactly 5 hours of play/on time. This unit was setup & displayed in my personal, adult only, no children/pets, non-smoking audio demo room. It has only been handled/placed into position, and repackaged using cotton gloves. There is not a mark, scuff, or finger print on it! This Technics SL-1210GR includes all original accessories, including a Black Cartridge Head-Shell, all original documentation and packaging. I am including several desirable items with it, to include an Authentic, (Made in Japan), Technics Silver Cartridge Head-Shell with Weights, ($180.00 Value), to allow tuning of your selected Cartridge’s, Compliance & Effective Mass. Includes individual weights from 1g - 5g’s. I’m also including a Technics SL-1200/1210 Cartridge Alignment Protractor. Please note, that there is NO CARTRIDGE INCLUDED with this turntable. This Technics SL-1210GR Turntable retails new for $1,799.95, not including any of the accessories. I’m starting my auction for only $1,300.00 with NO RESERVE! Please feel free to contact me with any questions. Thank you for looking! From the manufacture; The Technics SL-1210GR Direct Drive Turntable System is a professional turntable designed for audiophiles, DJs, and turntablists. The SL-1210GR builds upon the success of the SL-1200G, which offered significant enhancements to the analog and digital technology including the coreless direct-drive motor and precision digital motor control, which eliminated cogging from rotation irregularities. Additionally, the turntable utilizes a two-layer construction on the aluminum die-cast platter to achieve high rigidity, while eliminating vibration. The S-shaped tonearm employs a lightweight, yet rigid aluminum pipe, while the gimbal suspension system utilizes high-precision bearings, which are hand-tuned by skilled Japanese artisans to enable the grooves in a record to be accurately traced. The tonearm ships with a counter weight and an additional auxiliary weight for use with a variety of cartridges to match music genre or feeling. High-damping silicon insulation is used throughout to prevent unwanted vibrations from corrupting the sound. This two-layer construction prevents horizontal and vertical vibrations and provides a smooth and articulated sound. The turntable features gold-plated RCA terminals for use with detachable cables, as well as a detachable earth-ground wire and a detachable power cord. The Technics SL-1210GR ships with a rubber slip mat, dust cover, 45 adapter, balance weight, auxiliary weight, headshell, overhang gauge, cartridge mounting hardware, stereo RCA cable, earth ground cable, and an AC power cord. Coreless direct-drive motor achieves stable rotation. Technics developed the twin-rotor, surface-facing, coreless direct-drive motor with rotor magnets placed on both sides, thereby eliminating the rotation irregularity of the motor, referred to as cogging, which was a unique issue for direct-drive systems. High-precision motor control for ideal rotation conditions. Sine waves stored in ROM are used for the control waveforms at constant speed for smoother and more stable rotation compared with using the simple sine wave generation with an external coil as in the conventional SL-1200MK5. Electrical circuitry has been tuned for maximum performance. Starting Torque: Achieves 2.2 kg x cm with only a single rotor. Same startup time (0.7 sec at 33 1/3 rpm) as the SL-1200G. Rigidity and vibration damping characteristics. Two-layer construction with deadening rubber applied to the entire rear surface of the aluminum die-cast to eliminate the unnecessary resonance that is otherwise relayed to the record. Optimized shape of the aluminum die-cast. At 2.5kg (including the rubber mat), the SL-1210GR platter is 0.8kg heavier than that of the previous SL-1200MK5. Back surface of the platter has strengthening ribs added to improve rigidity. Increasing the surface area of contact with the deadening rubber achieves damping characteristics that are more than twice those of the SL-1200MK5. Tonearm Achieves High Initial-Motion Sensitivity. High-precision tonearm tracking of the rotation of the record. Static-balance universal S-shaped tonearm. Aluminum Pipe: Lightweight and rigid material of the tonearm pipe. Gimbal Suspension Construction: Tonearm bearing section uses a cut-processed housing that employs high-precision bearings. High initial-motion sensitivity of 5mg or less is achieved through manual assembly and adjustment by skilled Japanese artisans, enabling the grooves etched into the records to be accurately traced. Auxiliary Weight: Allows for swapping a wide variety of cartridges to match the music genre or feeling. (Applicable cartridge weight when using the supplied auxiliary weight: 10 - 16.4g. High-Quality Terminals for Sound and Appearance. Gold-plated RCA terminals for detachable cables. Metal Shielding Construction: Reduces the effects of external noise. Rigid Body with High-Damping Silicon Insulators for Smooth Sound and Isolation. Ensures high rigidity by using a body with a two-layered construction, solidly unifying the BMC and the aluminum die-cast chassis. Uses special silicon rubber that ensures both high vibration damping characteristics and long-term reliability. Microcell Polymers: Vibration in the horizontal direction is absorbed by reinforcement with cylindrical tubes using microcell polymers. Insulators are tuned specifically for the SL-1210GR. Prevents Unwanted Vibration: Installation of the insulators is equipped with a vertical adjustment mechanism using screws, eliminating the rattle that occurs when the turntable is installed in a rack. Stable Record Playing: Exact horizontal adjustment of the platter and record surface reduces rotation irregularity due to slanting. Technics SL-1210GR Specs Turntable Type - Direct drive manual turntable. Speeds- 33 1/3, 45, and 78 rpm. Pitch Adjustment - ±8%, ±16% Starting Torque: 2.2 kg-cm. Starting Time - Build-Up Characteristics: 0.7 sec from Standstill to 33 1/3 rpm. Wow & Flutter - 0.025 % W.R.M.S. Rumble Max - 78 dB (IEC 98 A-weighted). Turntable Platter - Aluminum diecast. Tonearm Type - Universal static balance. Length - Effective Length: 9.1 / 230.0 mm Overhang - 0.6 / 15.0 mm Tracking Error Angle- Within 2° 32' (at the outer groove of 11.8 / 30.0 cm record). Within 0° 32' (at the inner groove of 11.8 / 30.0 cm record). Offset Angle - 22° Arm Height Range - 0.0 to 0.2 / 0.0 to 6.0 mm Stylus - Stylus Pressure Adjustment Range: 0 to 0.1 oz / 4.0 g (direct reading). Head Shell Weight: Approx. 0.3 oz / 7.6 g Applicable Cartridge Weight Range: Without Auxiliary Weight: 0.2 oz / 5.6 g to 0.4 oz / 12.0 g Including Head Shell: 0.5 oz / 14.3 g to 0.7 oz / 20.7 g With Auxiliary Weight: 0.4 oz / 10.0 g to 0.6 oz / 16.4 g Including Head Shell: 0.7 oz / 18.7 g to 0.9 oz / 25.1 g Cartridge Mounting Dimension: JIS 0.5 / 12.7 mm interval. Head Shell Terminal Lug: 0.05 / 1.20 mm ? 4-pin terminal lug. Terminals Connectors - 2 x RCA. 1 x Earth terminal. General Specifications Power Supply: 120 VAC, 60 Hz Power Consumption: 11 W approximately (0.2 W standby). Dimensions17.8 x 6.8 x 14.6 / 453.0 x 173.0 x 372.0 mm Weight - Platter: 5.5 lb / 2.5 kg Turntable: 25.4 lb / 11.5 kg Packaging Info; Package Weight 30 lb Box Dimensions (LxWxH) - 22.5 x 17.6 x 9.8

Description:- Fully working Technics SU-V570 PSX CAP stereo integrated amplifier. Superb sounding amp, with no evident operational issues. little in the way of cosmetic imperfections. Perfect match for using with a pair of 1210’s as a part of a DJ set up. SpecificationsPower output: 60 watts per channel into 8? (stereo)Frequency response: 3Hz to 100kHzTotal harmonic distortion: 0.005%Damping factor: 60Input sensitivity: 0.17mV (MC), 2.5mV (MM), 150mV (line)Signal to noise ratio: 63dB (MC), 76dB (MM), 84dB (line)Speaker load impedance: 4? to 16?Dimensions: 430 x 158 x 320mmWeight: 9.2kg Please inspect the pictures (please also use the zoom function on the photos) and be sure of what you are buying, please don’t buy this if you are at all unsure, I will answer any questions you have, just email BEFORE PURCHASING. This is a used item and has been fairly described to the best of our ability, it has not been serviced by us, just described in it’s current operational and cosmetic order. If you are not happy with any item, we can arrange collection from you for a full refund (even if you are outside the UK) We will not provide any partial refunds and will not cover any restoration, detailed or internal cleaning, repairs or modification costs. Any questions regarding out of eBay deals will be ignored Any items suspected missing in transit, must be reported to us within 10 days. Shipping We ship using a 24 hour courier. Please allow up to 3 days handling time as a lot of our items are large and take time to package well. Collections Collections from our unit in Bordon are available on Wednesdays and Fridays. Visit our storeHi-Fi Hangar Vintage hifi specialists Other PROJECTS, SPARES & REPAIRS HI-FI & AUDIO EQUIPMENT AMPLIFIERS DISK PLAYERS (CD/DVD/MD/SACD) TUNERS CASSETTE/TAPE DECKS SPEAKERS STUDIO EQUIPMENT TURNTABLES/RECORD PLAYERS CARTRIDGES TONEARMS MERCHANDISE T-SHIRTS ACCESSORIES Payment We take payment through the ebay managed payment system, Shipping We ship using a 24 hour courier. Please allow up to 3 days handling time as a lot of our items are large and take time to package well. _gsrx_vers_1608 (GS 9.5 (1608))

Anschrift | Filiale Hamburg Tredec Warenhandels GmbH Esmarchstr. 82-84 22767 Hamburg Unsere Öffnungszeiten: Mo-Fr von 8:00-17:00 Uhr Impressum AGB Widerrufsrecht Batterieentsorgung Verpackungshinweis --> Zustand: Ausstellungsstück in sehr gutem Zustand - technisch einwandfrei - Kartonmakel - Technics geprüft. Zubehör: vollständig Info Es handelt sich hierbei um Ausstellungsware mit 12 Monaten Gewährleistung. Ersteigerte Artikel, können Sie natürlich auch von Montag bis Freitag persönlich bei uns abholen. Bei Fragen, rufen Sie uns gern an.

Up for sale is my 2023 Technics SL-1210GR. It is 6 months old with low hours and is in perfect condition. It will be offered Fully optioned with; *Ortofon Black Concorde with OM40 FG Stylus (3 months old very low hours) $400 *KAB Fluid Damper $100 *Origin Live Record Base Mat $75 *Hexmat Eclipse Record Mat $375 *Isonoe Isolation Feet $200 *BONUS - MoFi Super Heavyweight Record Clamp $200 Local Pickup Only - North Bay California

2 x Technics Sl-1210 mk2 / Edition Hochglanz Grau 2 x Technics 2.700 € _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Generalüberholter: Technics SL 1210 MK 2 / Edition / Hochglanz Grau / Selten Neu: Pulver Lackiert in Grau Hochglanz Neu: Original Technics Haube in Klar Neu: Single Puk LED: Umbau in Weiß Teller Kranz: LED Weiß Beleuchtung Neu: Technics Slipmats Neu: Chinch Kabel Pitch: Ohne Sperre / LED Beleuchtet Weiß Neu: Eingestellt___________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Bei Fragen gerne anrufen / Tel: Nr: 0177 1836460Versand Pro Technics St. 25.00€Versand : Nur innerhalb Deutschland / Keine Inseln

Zum Verkauf kommt die neu aufgelegte Plattenspieler Legende von Technics, in der höherwertigen HiFi Ausführung GR, bei Technics Grand Class genannt. Der 1210GR hat gegenüber dem als reines DJ Laufwerk platzierten MK 7 einige klanglich Vorteile, durch zum Beispiel einen besseren Plattenteller, besitzt jedoch dieselben Fähigkeiten und Ausstattung, die auch für den DJ Betrieb unverzichtbar sind, im Gegensatz zu seinen kleineren Brüdern der Premium Class. Über alle technischen Details informiert man sich am besten auf der Technics Webseite. Er ist im Originalzustand, mit wenigen Gebrauchsspuren und aus einem Nichtraucherhaushalt. Nachgerüstet ist ein von mir entworfener Fluid-Damper nach dem Vorbild des SME Fluid-Dampers von den 3009/3012 Tonarmen. Dabei ist ein kleines Paddel am Tonarm aufgesteckt, welches in einer Wanne voll zähen Silikonöl gedämpft wird. Das tut dem Tonarm richtig gut, wie auch beim Oldtimer SME, was zu einer deutlichen Steigerung der Wiedergabefähigkeiten führt. Keine Angst: Die Teile sind aus Carbon verstärktem PET Kunststoff passgenau gedruckt, aufgesteckt und nur mit einer kleinen Stellschraube fixiert. Sie können einfach wieder entfernt werden, ohne dass ein Eingriff zu sehen ist. Ich liefere ein Spritze voll passendem Silikonöl mit, so dass das einfach wieder in Betrieb genommen werden kann. Der 1210GR wird ohne Tonabnehmer, nur mit Headshell ausgeliefert. Letztere habe ich nicht mehr, da ich sie hochwertigere besitze. Damit der Plattenspieler gleich einsetzbar ist, habe ich ein neues Ortofon Concorde bei Thomann besorgt, absolut neu, mit voller Herstellergarantie. Das passt super, es sind keine Einstellarbeiten notwendig, man kann damit DJ Betrieb aber auch HiFi Betrieb machen und durch Einsatz noch hochwertiger Nadeln auch noch weiter ausbauen, denn das Laufwerk und der Tonarm rechtfertigt das in jedem Fall. Auf Wunsch bin ich für einen Preisvorschlag ohne den Tonabnehmer gerne offen, bitte entsprechend vermerken. Der Plattenspieler wurde von mir neu gekauft und hat noch Hersteller-Garantie bis Mitte 2023. Ich kann ihn daher im Original-Karton sicher versenden. Dabei wird das Paket natürlich höher versichert als die normalen 500€. Mit dabei ist, neben dem Gerät, der Tonabnehmer, der Fluid Damper mit Öl, das originale Netzkabel, Massekabel, Phono-Kabel, die Tonabnehmer-Schablone und natürlich die Anleitung.

Technics SL-1210 GR Plattenspieler Schwarz / Neu mit OVP. Neu in Originalverpackung. Abholung bevorzugt, Versand nach Absprache dennoch möglich. Gerne kann ich bei Bedarf mehr Fotos machen. Wie beschrieben handelt es sich um den 1210 GR also die Schwarze Variante. Bei Wunsch kann der Plattenspieler vor Kauf getestet werden.

Technics SL-1210GR Turntable. Like new with about 70 hours of playtime in my home. Some minor, fine scratches in the clear cover from cleaning, but hard to notice I just want to be clear. On a scale of 1-10 I would say it’s a 9. NOTE: There is no cartridge with this Turntable, and when purchased as new does not come with a cartridge and the cork platter mat is not included. Retails for 1799. Packing and paperwork is included. This turntable is a beast and you will not be disappointed. I have the right to cancel a bid due to negative feedback. I will ship with a signature required and No returns so bid accordingly. Flat shipping fee of $35, I will ship UPS quickly.

We use a 24 hour courier service but please allow up to 3 days handling time as a lot of our items are large and timeconsuming to package. Many thanks :) Description:- Superb Vintage Technics SU-V450 stereo integrated Amplifier. Perfect as a part of a home DJ system, with use with 1210’s and mixer, as it is the same Grey… Little in the way of marks. Offered in full working order with no evident issues. we have switch cleaned it. A great sounding amp. No box or manual, but will be packed to the highest standard for shipping. Please inspect the pictures (please also use the zoom function on the photos) and be sure of what you are buying, please don’t buy this if you are at all unsure, I will answer any questions you have, just email BEFORE PURCHASING. This is a used item and has been fairly described to the best of our ability. If you are not happy with any item, we can arrange collection from you for a full refund (even if you are outside the UK) We will not provide any partial refunds and will not cover any restoration, detailed or internal cleaning, repairs or modification costs. Any questions regarding out of eBay deals will be ignored Any items suspected missing in transit, must be reported to us within 10 days. Shipping We ship using a 24 hour courier. Please allow up to 3 days handling time as a lot of our items are large and take time to package well. Collections Collections from our unit in Bordon are available on Wednesdays and Fridays. Visit our storeHi-Fi Hangar Vintage hifi specialists Other PROJECTS, SPARES & REPAIRS HI-FI & AUDIO EQUIPMENT AMPLIFIERS DISK PLAYERS (CD/DVD/MD/SACD) TUNERS CASSETTE/TAPE DECKS SPEAKERS STUDIO EQUIPMENT TURNTABLES/RECORD PLAYERS CARTRIDGES TONEARMS MERCHANDISE T-SHIRTS ACCESSORIES Payment We take payment through the ebay managed payment system, Shipping We ship using a 24 hour courier. Please allow up to 3 days handling time as a lot of our items are large and take time to package well. _gsrx_vers_1516 (GS 9.3 (1516))

Zum Verkauf steht ein Technics SL-1210 GR Grand Class Plattenspieler Schwarz # NEU # OVP # Rechnung gerne mit dabei. Plattenspieler wurde nur für Fotos aus der OVP entnommen. In meiner anderen Auktion habt ihr die Möglichkeit auf einen zweiten zu Bieten. Warum der Verkauf? Leider habe ich festgestellt das es unrealistisch ist, mein Hobby wieder aufzunehmen. Nur deswegen der Verkauf! Die Ware wird unter Ausschluss jeglicher Gewährleistung verkauft. Ich behalte mir das Recht vor die Auktion vorzeitig zu beenden.

Zum Verkauf steht ein Technics SL-1210 GR Grand Class Plattenspieler Schwarz # NEU # OVP # Rechnung gerne mit dabei. Plattenspieler wurde nur für Fotos aus der OVP entnommen. In meiner anderen Auktion habt ihr die Möglichkeit auf einen zweiten zu Bieten. Warum der Verkauf? Leider habe ich festgestellt das es unrealistisch ist, mein Hobby wieder aufzunehmen. Nur deswegen der Verkauf! Die Ware wird unter Ausschluss jeglicher Gewährleistung verkauft. Ich behalte mir das Recht vor die Auktion vorzeitig zu beenden.

Zum Verkauf steht ein Technics SL-1210 GR Grand Class Plattenspieler Schwarz # NEU # OVP # Rechnung gerne mit dabei. Plattenspieler wurde nur für Fotos aus der OVP entnommen. In meiner anderen Auktion habt ihr die Möglichkeit auf einen zweiten zu Bieten. Warum der Verkauf? Leider habe ich festgestellt das es unrealistisch ist, mein Hobby wieder aufzunehmen. Nur deswegen der Verkauf! Die Ware wird unter Ausschluss jeglicher Gewährleistung verkauft. Ich behalte mir das Recht vor die Auktion vorzeitig zu beenden.

In immaculate condition. Comes with everything that it did from the factory. Selling as I dont really have the use for it anymore. Used sparingly as I normally use my Apple Home Pod instead. Built like a tank and weighs tonne. Any questions, just ask.

ORIGINAL TECHNICS TKKH51441 AUXILIARY WEIGHT, SMALL 16g FOR TONE ARM FOR TURNTABLE SL-1200GR / SL-1210GR

MADE IN JAPAN TECHNICS OVERHANG GAUGE RMR2210 SET TO 52mm ALIGNMENT TOOL FOR TECHNICS HEAD SHELL / CARTRIDGE FOR TECHNICS TURNTABLE SL-1200GR / SL-1210GR 1st / 2nd CLASS POST OPTION

OFFICIAL TECHNICS AUX WEIGHT - SMALL 16g FOR TONE ARM FOR USE WITH TECHNICS SERIES SL-1200GR / SL-1210GR TURNTABLES POST WORLDWIDE

1 x Technics SL1210GR SL-1210GR Direct Drive Turntable - MINT. Boxed in mint condition , only used a few times (indoor/personal use only) I have 4 x SL1210-GR available, see my other items For any more info pls call 07977 888889 Cash/Bank transfer on collection only, not willing to post due to value

1 x Technics SL1210GR SL-1210GR Direct Drive Turntable - MINT. Boxed in mint condition , only used a few times (indoor/personal use only) I have 4 x SL1210-GR available, see my other items For any more info pls call 07977 888889 Cash/Bank transfer on collection only, not willing to post due to value

1 x Technics SL1210GR SL-1210GR Direct Drive Turntable - MINT. Boxed in mint condition , only used a few times (indoor/personal use only) I have 4 x SL1210-GR available, see my other items For any more info pls call 07977 888889 Cash/Bank transfer on collection only, not willing to post due to value

1 x Technics SL1210GR SL-1210GR Direct Drive Turntable - MINT. Boxed in mint condition , only used a few times (indoor/personal use only) I have 4 x SL1210-GR available, see my other items For any more info pls call 07977 888889 Cash/Bank transfer on collection only, not willing to post due to value

TECHNICS HEADSHELL : PART NO. TPBAA201 DESCRIPTION Heres a replacement Technics headshell : Part no. TPBAA201 (substitution for part no. TPBGA003)Its compatible to Technics turntable as model below ;SL-1200GRSL-1210GRSL-1200LTDSL-1200MK2SL-1210MK2SL-1200M3DSL-1210M3D SL-1200MK5SL-1210MK5SL-1210M5GSL-1200MK7SL-1200MK7LSL-1200MK7R And other SL-1200 / SL-1210 Models It is original part from Japan, Made in Malaysia. Brand new in pack. This new Technics headshell model has gold plated lead clips for higher quality, please check our comparison photo. New model doesnt have Technics logo on the headshell. Shipping and Handling We are trying our best to ship the parcel out with 24-48 hrs after payment is cleared. Buyer can be assured that the shipping and handling cost we quoted will not be over charged. We do not cheat on the postage cost and we also offer combine shipment to save your money. You can ask us before purchase. Parcel will be shipped out worldwide by registered airmail. Please note that Import duties, taxes, and charges are not included in the item price or shipping cost. Those charges will be on buyer. But we normally declare the goods cheaper than the actual cost to avoid tax. Shipping to Asia : 4-14 days Shipping to Oceania 2-3 weeks Shipping to Europe ~ 2-4 weeks Shipping to N. America 3-4 weeks Shipping to S.America 4-6 weeks. It can be delay or faster than the shipping time we inform. It depends on how good your local posting system is and also the customs in your country. Payment We accept Paypal only If you have any problem about payment, please inform us. Unpaid dispute will be automatically opened for buyer who hasnt cleared payment within 7 days. Return Please note that we only sell original products in our store. We are authorized reseller for many brands. We commit your Satisfaction 100%. Defected goods, Lost will be fully responsible. Exchange is acceptable, buyer must be responsible for shipping both ways and item must be returned in new condition with original package. Item must be returned back within 14 days of delivery. Feedback We will leave feedback automatically once buyer has left for us. For buyer who is not satisfied with your purchase with us directly before leaving a feedback. Leaving bad feedback to each other is not the solution. We can do better than that.

TECHNICS PITCH KNOB SPACER : PART NO. RMQ2526 DESCRIPTION Heres a replacement Technics pitch knob spacer : Part no. RMQ2526 Its compatible to Technics turntable as models below ;SL-1200GSL-1200GAESL1200GEGSL-1200GPPSL-1200GRSL-1210GRSL-1200GS It is original part from Japan, Made in Japan. Brand new in pack. We recommend you to check other of our listings to save your S&H cost. We are not dropshipper as many Ebay sellers are. Those sellers cant combine to ship in one box because they have nothing in stock. Shipping and Handling We are trying our best to ship the parcel out with 24-48 hrs after payment is cleared. Buyer can be assured that the shipping and handling cost we quoted will not be over charged. We do not cheat on the postage cost and we also offer combine shipment to save your money. You can ask us before purchase. Parcel will be shipped out worldwide by registered airmail. Please note that Import duties, taxes, and charges are not included in the item price or shipping cost. Those charges will be on buyer. But we normally declare the goods cheaper than the actual cost to avoid tax. Shipping to Asia : 4-14 days Shipping to Oceania 2-3 weeks Shipping to Europe ~ 2-4 weeks Shipping to N. America 3-4 weeks Shipping to S.America 4-6 weeks. It can be delay or faster than the shipping time we inform. It depends on how good your local posting system is and also the customs in your country. Payment We accept Paypal only If you have any problem about payment, please inform us. Unpaid dispute will be automatically opened for buyer who hasnt cleared payment within 7 days. Return Please note that we only sell original products in our store. We are authorized reseller for many brands. We commit your Satisfaction 100%. Defected goods, Lost will be fully responsible. Exchange is acceptable, buyer must be responsible for shipping both ways and item must be returned in new condition with original package. Item must be returned back within 14 days of delivery. Feedback We will leave feedback automatically once buyer has left for us. For buyer who is not satisfied with your purchase with us directly before leaving a feedback. Leaving bad feedback to each other is not the solution. We can do better than that.