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Celestion Ditton 22 , 33 Mid-Range Speaker / Drivers
End: 20.07. 2023 18:55:29 on Thursday
- Condition: Used
- Price: 40.92 EUR
- Status: unsold
- Item number: 145187740419
- Bids: 0
- Seller: retroitems-uk (578|100.0%)
- Seller information: non commercial
- Item location: London
- Ships to: GB
- Shipping: 39,51 EUR
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Description
Pair Of Vintage Celestion Ditton 22, 33 Mid-Range Speaker / Drivers. Condition is used. 4 ohms. Some scratches and marks due to the age, Please refer to all the photos for the condition. UK mainland shipping only. Or overseas via eBay global shipping programme. Please have a look at my other items for sale. Thank you for looking .
Pair Of Celestion t3397 m1502 midrange drivers speakers 4 ohm from ditton 250
End: 16.07. 2023 17:09:01 on Sunday
- Condition: Used
- Price: 52.14 EUR
- Status: unsold
- Item number: 195826103635
- Seller: escortcabdave79 (1725|100.0%)
- Seller information: non commercial
- Item location: Nottingham
- Ships to: GB
- Shipping: 6,5 EUR
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Description
Pair Of Celestion t3397 m1502 midrange drivers speakers 4 ohm from ditton 250 fits others or custom build In good condition and in perfect working order, Any questions fire away Uk mainland postage applied if in Ireland, highlands or out of uk please contact for postage price. Collection also fine. Item will be despatched within 2 days of payment but due to the current situation postal services maybe a bit slower than stated but thats in the hands of the courier service so out of my hands but if not arrived within time stated please get in touch and il do my best to chase up and assist. Thanks and stay safe
1 x Celestion t3338 hf1003 tweeter speaker from ditton 250
End: 08.07. 2023 08:50:32 on Saturday
- Condition: Used
- Price: 46.35 EUR
- Status: sold
- Item number: 195826115023
- Seller: escortcabdave79 (1725|100.0%)
- Seller information: non commercial
- Item location: Nottingham
- Ships to: GB
- Shipping: 6,5 EUR
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Description
1 x Celestion t3338 hf1003 tweeter speaker from ditton 250 In good condition and in perfect working order, Any questions fire away Uk mainland postage applied if in Ireland, highlands or out of uk please contact for postage price. Collection also fine. Item will be despatched within 2 days of payment but due to the current situation postal services maybe a bit slower than stated but thats in the hands of the courier service so out of my hands but if not arrived within time stated please get in touch and il do my best to chase up and assist. Thanks and stay safe
Celestion Ditton 33 Speakers
End: 02.07. 2023 18:28:13 on Sunday
- Condition: For parts or not working
- Price: 57.86 EUR
- Status: unsold
- Item number: 134628931412
- Bids: 0
- Seller: adrianc101 (982|99.1%)
- Seller information: non commercial
- Item location: Wareham
- Ships to: None
- Shipping: 0,0 EUR
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Description
Celestion Ditton 33 Speakers. Working but sold as spares or repair. The tweeters were replaced but the original pair come with them , they need new dome coils which are available. Speakers have marks please see photos. Complete with original covers. Collection only from Dorset to large & heavy to post.
Celestion Ditton 33 Crossover Rebuild
End: 02.07. 2023 14:52:53 on Sunday
- Condition: New
- Price: 202.52 EUR
- Status: unsold
- Item number: 175788108589
- Bids: 0
- Seller: matthewc3720 (2382|100.0%)
- Seller information: non commercial
- Item location: Shebbear
- Ships to: GB
- Shipping: 5,0 EUR
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Description
Celestion Ditton 33 Crossover Rebuild service. (Later PCB version shown but listing also covers earlier point to point paxolin boards) Post me your crossovers. I will refurbish them and post them back. Return postage included. I have years of experience with loud speaker repair, restoration and upgrading. What you get. -All old components stripped off. -Existing inductors tested and retained. Ive never found any of these to have failed. -Capacitor pads removed and boards cleaned with isopropyl alcohol. -New matching value ALCAPs fitted to woofer and midrange circuit. -Poly capacitors fitted to tweeter circuit to improve clarity and openness. A resistor is added to correct the change in ESR. -New high purity copper wiring added. (Directly connected to delete the push fit connectors. The Ditton 33 does not work well with poly caps in place of the original electrolytic type on the woofer and mid circuit. It upsets the voicing and causes impedance issues. They become harsh and shouty. Please check out my YouTube channel. Youll find this sort of refurbishment there and also other work. https://youtube.com/channel/UC_sacPWzRAWVyG5xOkx0Eeg Please contact me if I can help in any other way or on different speakers. Thanks for looking. Normally turned around in 10days SOLD QUITE A FEW OF THESE NOW. I RELIST THIS AFTER EACH SALE SO IF IT DROPS OFF FOR A WHILE THATS WHY.
PLAQUE BADGE ORIGINAL POUR ENCEINTES HIFI CELESTION DITTON 33
End: 28.06. 2023 19:04:03 on Wednesday
- Condition: Used
- Price: 9.9 EUR
- Status: sold
- Item number: 256102383664
- Seller: capitaine_haddock (3255|99.8%)
- Seller information: Commercial
- Item location: Bordeaux
- Ships to: EuropeanUnion
- Shipping: 5,0 EUR
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Description
PLAQUE ORIGINALE POUR ENCEINTES HIFI CELESTION DITTON 33. ENVOI GRATUIT EN LETTRE SUIVIE ENVOI TRS RAPIDE ET SOIGN BONNES ENCHRES INTERNATIONAL BUYERS YOU ARE WELCOME VERY FAST AND LOW COSTS SHIPPING !!! SHIPPING ARE 5 WITH TRACKING FOR : GERMANY - ITALY - SPAIN - PORTUGAL - AUSTRIA - BELGIUM - PAYS BAS FOR OTHER COUNTRY PLEASE ASK ME BEFORE ;)
Celestion Ditton 33 Crossover Rebuild
End: 25.06. 2023 14:51:50 on Sunday
- Condition: New
- Price: 204.0 EUR
- Status: unsold
- Item number: 175778154148
- Bids: 0
- Seller: matthewc3720 (2380|100.0%)
- Seller information: non commercial
- Item location: Shebbear
- Ships to: GB
- Shipping: 5,0 EUR
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Description
Celestion Ditton 33 Crossover Rebuild service. (Later PCB version shown but listing also covers earlier point to point paxolin boards) Post me your crossovers. I will refurbish them and post them back. Return postage included. I have years of experience with loud speaker repair, restoration and upgrading. What you get. -All old components stripped off. -Existing inductors tested and retained. Ive never found any of these to have failed. -Capacitor pads removed and boards cleaned with isopropyl alcohol. -New matching value ALCAPs fitted to woofer and midrange circuit. -Poly capacitors fitted to tweeter circuit to improve clarity and openness. A resistor is added to correct the change in ESR. -New high purity copper wiring added. (Directly connected to delete the push fit connectors. The Ditton 33 does not work well with poly caps in place of the original electrolytic type on the woofer and mid circuit. It upsets the voicing and causes impedance issues. They become harsh and shouty. Please check out my YouTube channel. Youll find this sort of refurbishment there and also other work. https://youtube.com/channel/UC_sacPWzRAWVyG5xOkx0Eeg Please contact me if I can help in any other way or on different speakers. Thanks for looking. Normally turned around in 10days SOLD QUITE A FEW OF THESE NOW. I RELIST THIS AFTER EACH SALE SO IF IT DROPS OFF FOR A WHILE THATS WHY.
CELESTION DITTON 332 vintage speakers re-capped 8 Ohm 90dB senitivity 100W
End: 23.06. 2023 17:34:07 on Friday
- Condition: Used
- Price: 425.48 EUR
- Status: unsold
- Item number: 385687671712
- Bids: 0
- Seller: svartkai_0 (89|100.0%)
- Seller information: non commercial
- Item location: Gerrards Cross
- Ships to: None
- Shipping: 0,0 EUR
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Description
CELESTION DITTON 332 vintage speakers in walnut The cabinets have been cleaned and lightly sanded, then refinished with Danish Oil. Internal damping foams were washed. All the metal driver surrounds have been painted. Original grill cloths have been refreshed (washed) and re-glued. Crossovers have been re-capped by HaycrossAudio: -Existing inductors tested and retained. -Capacitor pads removed and boards cleaned with isopropyl alcohol. -New matching value ALCAPs fitted to woofer and midrange circuit. -Poly capacitors fitted to tweeter circuit to improve clarity and openness. A resistor is added to correct the change in ESR. -resistors replaced with higher power rating. -New high purity copper wiring added. Consecutive serial numbers : 328701 / 328702 Original grills cloth covers + specification leaflet Great sounding speakers. 8 Ohm 90dB senitivity 100 Watts max power rating H 650 mm W 356 mm D 285 mm
Celestion Ditton 110 Bass Driver - B2002 - T3374 - 8ohms
End: 21.06. 2023 21:55:55 on Wednesday
- Condition: Used
- Price: 30.39 EUR
- Status: unsold
- Item number: 354849753316
- Bids: 0
- Seller: retro_dreams_234 (3174|100.0%)
- Seller information: non commercial
- Item location: Birmingham, West Midlands
- Ships to: GB
- Shipping: 8,85 EUR
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Description
Celestion Ditton 110 Bass Driver - B2002 - T3374 - 8ohms Used condition in good working order Email me for any questions Thanks for looking
Celestion Ditton 22 , 33 Mid-Range Speaker / Drivers
End: 19.06. 2023 14:50:30 on Monday
- Condition: Used
- Price: 40.89 EUR
- Status: unsold
- Item number: 145134083918
- Bids: 0
- Seller: retroitems-uk (571|100.0%)
- Seller information: non commercial
- Item location: London
- Ships to: GB
- Shipping: 45,5 EUR
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Description
Pair Of Vintage Celestion Ditton 22, 33 Mid-Range Speaker / Drivers. Condition is used. 4 ohms. Some scratches and marks due to the age, Please refer to all the photos for the condition. UK mainland shipping only. Or overseas via eBay global shipping programme. Please have a look at my other items for sale. Thank you for looking .
Celestion Ditton 33 Speakers In Superb Working Order.
End: 16.06. 2023 18:08:49 on Friday
- Condition: Used
- Price: 210.4 EUR
- Status: sold
- Item number: 166174170557
- Bids: 1
- Seller: ealingmob (1125|100.0%)
- Seller information: non commercial
- Item location: London
- Ships to: None
- Shipping: 0,0 EUR
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Description
ITS ESSENTIAL THAT YOU READ EVERYTHING BELOW BEFORE BIDDING. PLEASE ENSURE THAT YOURE PREPARED TO TRAVEL TO LONDON W13 8HA TO COLLECT YOUR ITEM. NON PAYERS WASTE TIME FOR THESE CHARITY AUCTIONS AND ALWAYS GET NEGATIVE FEEDBACK. Im selling items for people in my local community with 100% of the proceeds going to the British Heart Foundation. Celestion Ditton 33 Speakers In Superb Working Order. Kindly donated by the family of a discerning hi-fi fan. The cones are all absolutely immaculate and unmarked. There are a few light to moderate scratches and marks on the cabinet veneers and just one tiny corner dent which is pointed out in the photos. The cabinets will very easily refinish. There are a few marks but no tears on the cloth covers and all the clips are intact With superb bass these speakers are an all-time classic and an absolute bargain. These speakers are strictly collection only from Ealing West London. I cannot answer any questions regarding couriers or postage. Many thanks.
Celestion Ditton 110 Bass Driver - B2002 - T3374 - 8ohms
End: 09.06. 2023 21:55:45 on Friday
- Condition: Used
- Price: 30.41 EUR
- Status: unsold
- Item number: 354825298794
- Bids: 0
- Seller: retro_dreams_234 (3171|100.0%)
- Seller information: non commercial
- Item location: Birmingham, West Midlands
- Ships to: GB
- Shipping: 8,85 EUR
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Description
Celestion Ditton 110 Bass Driver - B2002 - T3374 - 8ohms Used condition in good working order Email me for any questions Thanks for looking
Celestion Ditton 22 , 33 Mid-Range Speaker / Drivers
End: 06.06. 2023 12:15:18 on Tuesday
- Condition: Used
- Price: 40.55 EUR
- Status: unsold
- Item number: 145110935263
- Bids: 0
- Seller: retroitems-uk (568|99.6%)
- Seller information: non commercial
- Item location: London
- Ships to: GB
- Shipping: 44,78 EUR
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Description
Pair Of Vintage Celestion Ditton 22, 33 Mid-Range Speaker / Drivers. Condition is used. 4 ohms. Some scratches and marks due to the age, Please refer to all the photos for the condition. UK mainland shipping only. Or overseas via eBay global shipping programme. Please have a look at my other items for sale. Thank you for looking .
Celestion Ditton 33 Crossover Rebuild
End: 05.06. 2023 17:29:59 on Monday
- Condition: New
- Price: 203.67 EUR
- Status: unsold
- Item number: 175749356947
- Bids: 0
- Seller: matthewc3720 (2334|100.0%)
- Seller information: non commercial
- Item location: Shebbear
- Ships to: GB
- Shipping: 5,0 EUR
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Description
Celestion Ditton 33 Crossover Rebuild service. (Later PCB version shown but listing also covers earlier point to point paxolin boards) Post me your crossovers. I will refurbish them and post them back. Return postage included. I have years of experience with loud speaker repair, restoration and upgrading. What you get. -All old components stripped off. -Existing inductors tested and retained. Ive never found any of these to have failed. -Capacitor pads removed and boards cleaned with isopropyl alcohol. -New matching value ALCAPs fitted to woofer and midrange circuit. -Poly capacitors fitted to tweeter circuit to improve clarity and openness. A resistor is added to correct the change in ESR. -New high purity copper wiring added. (Directly connected to delete the push fit connectors. The Ditton 33 does not work well with poly caps in place of the original electrolytic type on the woofer and mid circuit. It upsets the voicing and causes impedance issues. They become harsh and shouty. Please check out my YouTube channel. Youll find this sort of refurbishment there and also other work. https://youtube.com/channel/UC_sacPWzRAWVyG5xOkx0Eeg Please contact me if I can help in any other way or on different speakers. Thanks for looking. Normally turned around in 10days SOLD QUITE A FEW OF THESE NOW. I RELIST THIS AFTER EACH SALE SO IF IT DROPS OFF FOR A WHILE THATS WHY.
2 X Celestion Ditton 332 Lautsprecher 4-8 Ohm (Vintage)
End: 04.06. 2023 17:14:46 on Sunday
- Condition: Used
- Price: 49.5 EUR
- Status: sold
- Item number: 266271515675
- Bids: 10
- Seller: koala_02 (142|100.0%)
- Seller information: non commercial
- Item location: Hamburg
- Ships to: None
- Shipping: 0,0 EUR
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Description
Zum Verkauf angeboten wird ein Paar Celestion Ditton 332. Die Lautsprecher sind technisch in einem guten Zustand und können auf Wunsch probegehört werden. Der Lautsprecherstoff wurde zwischenzeitlich erneuert, die Holzoberfläche zeigt leichte Gebrauchsspuren. Abmessung (Breite x Höhe x Tiefe): 35,5 x 65,5 x 28,5. Spezifikation siehe auch Foto vom alten Werbeblatt. Ein Versand ist nach Absprache der Kosten möglich.
Celestion Ditton 110 Bass Driver - B2002 - T3374 - 8ohms
End: 02.06. 2023 21:54:56 on Friday
- Condition: Used
- Price: 30.26 EUR
- Status: unsold
- Item number: 354810739561
- Bids: 0
- Seller: retro_dreams_234 (3171|100.0%)
- Seller information: non commercial
- Item location: Birmingham, West Midlands
- Ships to: GB
- Shipping: 8,85 EUR
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Description
Celestion Ditton 110 Bass Driver - B2002 - T3374 - 8ohms Used condition in good working order Email me for any questions Thanks for looking
CELESTION DITTON 332 vintage speakers re-capped 8 Ohm 90dB senitivity 100W
End: 02.06. 2023 17:31:58 on Friday
- Condition: Used
- Price: 425.83 EUR
- Status: unsold
- Item number: 385640232125
- Bids: 0
- Seller: svartkai_0 (81|100.0%)
- Seller information: non commercial
- Item location: Gerrards Cross
- Ships to: None
- Shipping: 0,0 EUR
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Description
CELESTION DITTON 332 vintage speakers in walnut The cabinets have been cleaned and lightly sanded, then refinished with Danish Oil. Internal damping foams were washed. All the metal driver surrounds have been painted. Original grill cloths have been refreshed (washed) and re-glued. Crossovers have been re-capped by HaycrossAudio: -Existing inductors tested and retained. -Capacitor pads removed and boards cleaned with isopropyl alcohol. -New matching value ALCAPs fitted to woofer and midrange circuit. -Poly capacitors fitted to tweeter circuit to improve clarity and openness. A resistor is added to correct the change in ESR. -resistors replaced with higher power rating. -New high purity copper wiring added. Consecutive serial numbers : 328701 / 328702 Original grills cloth covers + specification leaflet Great sounding speakers. 8 Ohm 90dB senitivity 100 Watts max power rating H 650 mm W 356 mm D 285 mm
Celestion Ditton 33 Speakers
End: 01.06. 2023 08:59:06 on Thursday
- Condition: Used
- Price: 144.74 EUR
- Status: sold
- Item number: 115814759288
- Bids: 6
- Seller: bjbibi (489|100.0%)
- Seller information: non commercial
- Item location: Uttoxeter
- Ships to: None
- Shipping: 0,0 EUR
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Description
Great sounding and looking speakers A few marks and scratches as can be seen in the photos.Very sad to see these go but need to free up some space.No grilles and sold as seen. SpecificationsEnclosure Type: 3 Way sealed designPower Handling (RMS): 50 WattsPeak Power Handling: 25 WattsNominal Impedance: 8 OhmsDrivers:1 x 1 Dome Tweeter1 x 5 Cone Midrange1 x 10 Cast WooferDimensions: 360 x 610 x 270mm (Width x Height x Depth)Weight: 15.0kg
Celestion Ditton 22 , 33 Mid-Range Speaker / Drivers
End: 29.05. 2023 18:42:08 on Monday
- Condition: Used
- Price: 40.37 EUR
- Status: unsold
- Item number: 145097386026
- Bids: 0
- Seller: retroitems-uk (567|99.6%)
- Seller information: non commercial
- Item location: London
- Ships to: GB
- Shipping: 38,98 EUR
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Description
Pair Of Vintage Celestion Ditton 22, 33 Mid-Range Speaker / Drivers. Condition is used. 4 ohms. Some scratches and marks due to the age, Please refer to all the photos for the condition. UK mainland shipping only. Or overseas via eBay global shipping programme. Please have a look at my other items for sale. Thank you for looking .
Celestion Ditton 110 Bass Driver - B2002 - T3374 - 8ohms
End: 26.05. 2023 21:54:12 on Friday
- Condition: Used
- Price: 29.95 EUR
- Status: unsold
- Item number: 354796126386
- Bids: 0
- Seller: retro_dreams_234 (3171|100.0%)
- Seller information: non commercial
- Item location: Birmingham, West Midlands
- Ships to: GB
- Shipping: 8,85 EUR
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Description
Celestion Ditton 110 Bass Driver - B2002 - T3374 - 8ohms Used condition in good working order Email me for any questions Thanks for looking
CELESTION DITTON 332 vintage speakers re-capped 8 Ohm 90dB senitivity 100W
End: 26.05. 2023 17:31:15 on Friday
- Condition: Used
- Price: 419.64 EUR
- Status: unsold
- Item number: 385624746892
- Bids: 0
- Seller: svartkai_0 (81|100.0%)
- Seller information: non commercial
- Item location: Gerrards Cross
- Ships to: None
- Shipping: 0,0 EUR
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Description
CELESTION DITTON 332 vintage speakers in walnut The cabinets have been cleaned and lightly sanded, then refinished with Danish Oil. Internal damping foams were washed. All the metal driver surrounds have been painted. Original grill cloths have been refreshed (washed) and re-glued. Crossovers have been re-capped by HaycrossAudio: -Existing inductors tested and retained. -Capacitor pads removed and boards cleaned with isopropyl alcohol. -New matching value ALCAPs fitted to woofer and midrange circuit. -Poly capacitors fitted to tweeter circuit to improve clarity and openness. A resistor is added to correct the change in ESR. -resistors replaced with higher power rating. -New high purity copper wiring added. Consecutive serial numbers : 328701 / 328702 Original grills cloth covers + specification leaflet Great sounding speakers. 8 Ohm 90dB senitivity 100 Watts max power rating H 650 mm W 356 mm D 285 mm
POUR ENCEINTES HIFI CELESTION DITTON 15XR 11 22 33 TWEETER HD1000 FONCTIONNELS
End: 25.05. 2023 12:29:09 on Thursday
- Condition: Used
- Price: 68.0 EUR
- Status: sold
- Item number: 266250409505
- Seller: capitaine_haddock (3169|100.0%)
- Seller information: Commercial
- Item location: Bordeaux
- Ships to: FR
- Shipping: 13,0 EUR
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Description
POUR ENCEINTES HIFI CELESTION DITTON 15XR 11 22 33 TWEETER HD1000 FONCTIONNELS. PAIRE DES TWEETER HD1000 CELESTION DITTON UTILISS DANS PLUSIEURS ENCEINTES DE LA MARQUE : DITTON 15XR DITTON 22 DITTON 33 TEST FONCTIONNENT PARFAITEMENT LE PRIX EST POUR UN TWEETER HD1000 AUTRES LMENTS CELESTION DITTON EN VENTE THE PRICE IS FOR ONE HD1000 TWEETER ENVOI TRS RAPIDE ET SOIGN BONNES ENCHRES INTERNATIONAL BUYERS YOU ARE WELCOME VERY FAST AND LOW COSTS SHIPPING !!! SHIPPING ARE 13 WITH TRACKING FOR : GERMANY - ITALY - SPAIN - PORTUGAL - AUSTRIA - BELGIUM - PAYS BAS FOR OTHER COUNTRY PLEASE ASK ME BEFORE ;)
Celestion Ditton 33 Speakers
End: 24.05. 2023 13:36:25 on Wednesday
- Condition: Used
- Price: 138.3 EUR
- Status: unsold
- Item number: 115807063047
- Bids: 0
- Seller: bjbibi (489|100.0%)
- Seller information: non commercial
- Item location: Uttoxeter
- Ships to: None
- Shipping: 0,0 EUR
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Description
Great sounding speakers and they look fantastic too! A few marks and scratches as can be seen in the photos.Very sad to see these go but need to free up some space (and cash!).No grilles and sold as seen. SpecificationsEnclosure Type: 3 Way sealed designPower Handling (RMS): 50 WattsPeak Power Handling: 25 WattsNominal Impedance: 8 OhmsDrivers:1 x 1 Dome Tweeter1 x 5 Cone Midrange1 x 10 Cast WooferDimensions: 360 x 610 x 270mm (Width x Height x Depth)Weight: 15.0kg
POUR ENCEINTES HIFI CELESTION DITTON 15XR 11 22 33 TWEETER HD1000 FONCTIONNELS
End: 08.05. 2023 14:15:05 on Monday
- Condition: Used
- Price: 68.0 EUR
- Status: sold
- Item number: 256065321337
- Seller: capitaine_haddock (3161|100.0%)
- Seller information: Commercial
- Item location: Bordeaux
- Ships to: FR
- Shipping: 13,0 EUR
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Description
POUR ENCEINTES HIFI CELESTION DITTON 15XR 11 22 33 TWEETER HD1000 FONCTIONNELS. PAIRE DES TWEETER HD1000 CELESTION DITTON UTILISS DANS PLUSIEURS ENCEINTES DE LA MARQUE : DITTON 15XR DITTON 22 DITTON 33 TEST FONCTIONNENT PARFAITEMENT LE PRIX EST POUR UN TWEETER HD1000 AUTRES LMENTS CELESTION DITTON EN VENTE THE PRICE IS FOR ONE HD1000 TWEETER ENVOI TRS RAPIDE ET SOIGN BONNES ENCHRES INTERNATIONAL BUYERS YOU ARE WELCOME VERY FAST AND LOW COSTS SHIPPING !!! SHIPPING ARE 13 WITH TRACKING FOR : GERMANY - ITALY - SPAIN - PORTUGAL - AUSTRIA - BELGIUM - PAYS BAS FOR OTHER COUNTRY PLEASE ASK ME BEFORE ;)
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